“And then, of course, the visa workers. And when we think about Australian workers, Australian workers are anyone working in Australia. We’ve got to make sure that they’re not left to starve as well.”
She acknowledged there would be lower paid workers who were paid more than they would normally get, but also said higher paid workers would get “much, much less” than under the British or Danish systems.
When the pandemic has passed, Ms McManus said she hoped there would be a focus on changing the casualisation of the workforce.
“I think that the biggest thing for us, as a country, is we’ve got some strong institutions like our public health system, but casual work – too many insecure jobs.
“It’s just been so exposed about how much risk has been shifted on to the individual. Coming out the other side, that’s something we’d really like to see changed. We need more permanent jobs for more Australians,” she said.
Changes to the Fair Work Act, which the government wants to do for a finite period, have also concerned the union. Ms McManus said employers who have not been negatively affected by the pandemic could force workers to take all their annual leave and they would push back against any changes.
“We understand the government wants this over and done with and wants to make sure that they’ve got everything in place,” she said.
“But we’re just saying to them – you can get everything you want through co-operation and by doing it through the way that we’ve already demonstrated that we can without having those mistakes that will inevitably happen, and quite frankly, some rorting from some employers if you just go the full sledgehammer.”
Another looming issue for the government and the union is an increase for the $39,000 minimum wage, with the ACTU still pushing for a 4 per cent increase from July 1.
“We are going to be sensible, we want to save jobs,” Ms McManus said, saying the decision would be looked at in June with the details about the pandemic changing regularly.
“We’ve got to think, as the Prime Minister has talked about, about the snap back. If we want a snap back, we have to make sure that people have got money in their pockets,” she said.
“Because for a long time, we’re going to depend on our domestic economy.”
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Jennifer Duke is an economics correspondent for The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age, based at Parliament House in Canberra.